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| Shinu | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 3:18 AM | Message # 1 |
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| Alright.
It's time to discuss the recent events that have taken place on the forum, while I personally hate to be the kind of person that has to make a super serious post, no one else is going to do it.
This thread is going to be used to address everything, it's not going to spill out of this thread, it's going to stay here, and we're going to discuss this as if we were decent people.
First, regarding the current issues with moderators, I want members to express their opinions of them fully in this thread, express your problems here. And moderators, myself included, I want you to listen, I want you to stop being ignorant and thinking just because we're not the nicest guys in our posts means that our posts mean nothing, and it's this kind of attitude that is not cool for moderators to have, ever.
I don't care if your personal belief if that everyone should always be cool and nice and friendly with each other, nah, it doesn't work that way.
I know what a lot of you are thinking, you're tired, tired of all this crap, tired of the arguing, well alright, I'm pretty tired of it too, especially when it involves me and everyone else getting banned over it.
Second, regarding the "forum cleaning." I'm going to be lifting those bans, all of them, even, and I'm probably going to regret this later, even Zaraki's ban, and I'm going to let them come here, to this thread, and let them express their anger/opinions, it's probably going to be the latter. Striden mentioned something about things being calmer after they were banned, not to be a dick but, no shit. You banned nearly everyone who was active. MG, I hope you realize I mean no disrespect here, since these are your bans after all, I'm doing this because I feel the way this situation was handled was poor, and it could be improved, which is why we're going to let people talk. However, if your general take on the situation as a moderator is, "No, they're just here to be dicks to mods and spam and troll and we should ban them and not let them say anything else because they're wrong" I'm going to kindly as you to stay away from this thread.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
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| Shinu | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 3:18 AM | Message # 2 |
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| Thirdly, regarding the forum rules, they are terrible, I can sit down here and pick out what's terrible with every single rule individually, and if for some reason you want me to, I'll do it, but for now, I'll leave it at that. I am going to be suggesting new rules to buy, hopefully something positive will come of it. That's a yet-to-be.
And finally, finally, this last paragraph I'm going to be addressing you solely Sou Bot. You are the worst possible candidate for a moderator I have seen in a while, you don't listen to members, ever, you pretend to, but the moment a member dare use a cuss word and disrespect your glory you stop listening to them, you also use examples of how in the real world no one would insult anyone because of the fear of a physical beating, nah but see, in the real world we would be politicians, and politicians don't have to treat each other like five year olds who want to ban people for using a bad word. You also have a personal vendetta against members that aren't the nicest people in their posts, again, understandable, and I can see where you're coming from, but no, that's not what we're doing. You also continually talk about following the rules and how strict you are with these rules, and while many people have pointed it out(the part about breaking rule 14, yes I'm bringing it up, I think it's stupid too however) you're also breaking rule 17, I personally don't think it was kind of you to delete the chat thread with over 200 pages of people's posts because the last pages were of people insulting each other, you're in no position to do that, you were being a dick, and you knew how badly received that would be because of the previous same exact incident with the Offtopic thread. And what about rule 18? You know, just because someone used a cuss word or two (or 10) in their post doesn't take away the fact it's criticism, you however decided to ignore it and continue on with your blissful ignorance. One last one, the spamming rule 3, "Stay civil" I personally don't think ignoring someone who is trying to make some valid points, and I'm not just talking about myself, in fact here I'm talking about Kushin's post before in the chat thread that talked about what was wrong with you deleting the Offtopic Nonsense thread, and going on and doing what made a problem arise before again is very civil, but yet, you've yet to receive a reproof, because you think what you're doing is right, and because the other two moderators think what you're doing is right, but hey, guess what? When Xeno, Keent, and I posted long rants with cuss words and our points, members thought what we were doing was right, but we DID receive reproofs. (That's another thing, I will be undoing any bans that are handed out for members expressing themselves.)
I could go on, I really could, but I'll cut a break here and let other people talk.
Tl;dr Shit sucks.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
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| Shinu | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 3:30 AM | Message # 3 |
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| Also mods aren't to touch this thread, I don't care the circumstances.
Every normal man must be tempted at times to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin to slit throats.
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| XenoTehNoob | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 3:37 AM | Message # 4 |
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| HAY PPL I WIL BE BAK 4 DIS POST.
Also, spoilers are nsfw because sou-bot is a moderator.
What Shinu said basically came straight out of my .
About the double account rule, why is that a rule. I still do not see the significance with that rule.
Also, no offense, but just because you moderators do not like rule 14 does not make it stop being a rule and it should be enforced because the admin said so, so I don't see why you get off saying "Oh, it will be gone soon." But, reproofs should obviously never be given for breaking that rule because obviously people do forget, but the admins should have some sort of common sense to realize, "oh, that was just a slip up on this little bro right here." But I do agree with the fact that it is a horrible rule and should be removed.
About the massive banning, I don't really care. MG did something, although it was a bit drastic (he even told me that he thought it was a bit much, but who gives a amirite guys? also that was not meant to be disrespectful, MG. u r mah frend bcuz u maek sweetazz naruto m00gen chars l0l)Added (2012-06-04, 3:37 AM)
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About the new chat thread, Kunshin and Sou-Bot, I dislike both of you because you guys are suckers and you both know it. You guys are talking about why people act like idiots and they wouldn't in real life, that stuff is complete bull because the internet gives you Anonymity so people can say whatever the hell they want with no regrets. And if you think being banned in a forum is something to regret, Sou-Bot, you're far from the truth. It is so easy to make another account. Also, Strider, it is easy to use something that changes/blocks your IP so don't think you're smart for figuring out who is who with their IP.
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| Riven1 | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 3:43 AM | Message # 5 |
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| I have noticed that when some one expresses them self on this site they get reproofed and or banned but when a mod such as sou bot or strider express them self it's suppose to be law or some shit that's why rule 20 is shit it protects the mods and admins and sou bot before you say shit i know you told me it's for members to but you ban me when i express my opinion, everyone should be treated fairly but lets get real not everyone will get along with each other no matter what because some people don't click at all.
Lmfao ^
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| tora2 | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:01 AM | Message # 6 |
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| they still have to not be jerks to each other regardless if they don't like them.
Xeno: It's like putting the number one in my alphabet soup, it's criminal.
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| sweetfire13 | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:06 AM | Message # 7 |
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| Quote (XenoTehNoob) About the double account rule, why is that a rule. I still do not see the significance with that rule.
Also, no offense, but just because you moderators do not like rule 14 does not make it stop being a rule and it should be enforced because the admin said so,
The double account rule and the grammar rule are both rules I personally wanted to get rid of, nothing at all official yet.
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| sweetfire13 | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:08 AM | Message # 8 |
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| Quote (Riven1) that's why rule 20 is shit
Hold on, could someone link me to the rules? I'm pretty sure that's not the rule 20 I'm thinking of.
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| Riven1 | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:10 AM | Message # 9 |
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| Quote (sweetfire13) Hold on, could someone link me to the rules? I'm pretty sure that's not the rule 20 I'm thinking of.
20. Please respect the mods and admins: Although you may not always agree 100%, the mods and admins want to keep this place friendly and fun. We try to end arguments whenever possible in a NEUTRAL manner, but sometimes we might not appear 'on your side'. This does not mean that we hate you, we simply want the arguments to stop.
Lmfao ^
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| striderhien | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:12 AM | Message # 10 |
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Sigh... why nobody ever gets my name right? heh, just kidding.
Anyway i sort of agree with some points Shinu made.
Quote (XenoTehNoob) because the internet gives you Anonymity so people can say whatever the hell they want with no regrets. And if you think being banned in a forum is something to regret, Sou-Bot, you're far from the truth. It is so easy to make another account. Also, Strider, it is easy to use something that changes/blocks your IP so don't think you're smart for figuring out who is who with their IP.
This isn't 4chan, we are NOT the anonymous. You are Xeno, Kent is Kent, I am myself.
The multiple account rule is one of the few that makes sense. And if you get through the problems of changing your IP or using proxy's just to make another account after being driven out it would be like rejoining a club you were kicked from after some plastic surgery and fake documents, it's just sad since there are many other "clubs"(mugen forums). Even I got rid of the other account I made before the rules were posted by buy because I think it is a good rule.
Quote (Riven1) I have noticed that when some one expresses them self on this site they get reproofed and or banned but when a mod such as sou bot or strider express them self it's suppose to be law or some shit that's why rule 20 is shit it protects the mods and admins it should be everyone should be treated fairly but lets get real not everyone will get along with each other no matter what because some people don't click at all.
I remember there was a time when people got along to each other, and the few fights were there because "someone" *ahem*squirrelking*ahem* made a challenge about fighting arcadboy.
Personally i think rule 20 makes some sense, think about it: you're a mod on the forum, trying to protect it from fights between users and spam, but what protects you? would you like protecting people that only shoot hate towards you? Would you like spending your time here and moderating the forum and being treated bad for it while you could be playing mugen or whatever game you're in? i'm sure you wouldn't. And that rule tries to prevent mods from going "screw it" and leaving.
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| tora2 | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:14 AM | Message # 11 |
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| all forums need order we have to keep the peace I know whats its like.
Xeno: It's like putting the number one in my alphabet soup, it's criminal.
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| sweetfire13 | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:16 AM | Message # 12 |
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| Quote (Riven1) 20. Please respect the mods and admins: Although you may not always agree 100%, the mods and admins want to keep this place friendly and fun. We try to end arguments whenever possible in a NEUTRAL manner, but sometimes we might not appear 'on your side'. This does not mean that we hate you, we simply want the arguments to stop.
Could you paste all the rules? I want to reassure something.
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| striderhien | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:18 AM | Message # 13 |
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| There you go sweetfire, a link to the forum rules.
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| Riven1 | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:18 AM | Message # 14 |
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| Quote (sweetfire13) Could you paste all the rules? I want to reassure something.
1. Members are not allowed to engage in threatening behavior toward other members.
2. No short, low quality posts like "bump", "lol", "roflmao", "thanks" and any repeated characters.
3. Don't give meaningless rep, whether it is - or +.
4. No direct links to infected downloads in posts or profiles.
5. No posting of personal information that isn't yours. Privacy is to be respected here.
6. Signature images can be no larger than 650x280 pixels and 500k size. Animated gifs should not be annoying.
7. You cannot ask for or offer reputation in posts, signatures, or PM. This includes encouragement like "rep is appreciated".
8. No adult images, adult links, or adult account trading.
9. Multiple accounts will not be allowed.
10. Advertising of competing sites is not allowed.
11. No threads or posts for donation begging. This includes loan requests.
12. No political or religious expression in your profile. This includes user titles, signatures, and avatars.
13. Post in the correct category. Read the forum descriptions if you are confused.
14. Use good grammar. Basically start sentences with a capital and end it with punctuation.
15. Don't cross post. That's when you repeat a post in multiple threads or categories.
16. Create relevant subjects for threads.
17. Be kind to others.
18. Try to take criticism: Don't go mad over someone's criticism and post saying "Show me something better" or "You try to do it". Learn to take it properly without arguing and try to improve yourself. If posts like these are seen, they will be deleted without giving the user any notice. But if the criticism is not helping and is just 'sucks' or it is more like a troll, the user will be warned and the post will be deleted.
[WE DO NOT APPRECIATE TROLL COMMENTS]
20. Please respect the mods and admins: Although you may not always agree 100%, the mods and admins want to keep this place friendly and fun. We try to end arguments whenever possible in a NEUTRAL manner, but sometimes we might not appear 'on your side'. This does not mean that we hate you, we simply want the arguments to stop.
21. No bumping threads without waiting 24 hours! And please don't bump more than twice in one thread. Try sharing the link to the thread with members in other ways.
Rules about Spam
1) Don't post anything extremely vulgar/gross
2) No spamming. Spamming is:
- Posting the same thing over and over, or only posting to advertise.
- Although we appreciate your enthusiasm for the forum, hitting over 100 posts in a single day MIGHT get you temporarily banned. (depending on post quality of course)
- Posting one word responses like "This" or "LOL" or even just a single smiley. Please try to add something to the conversation.
Sometimes your post might be deleted by the Admin or the Mods, that is, if your post was off-topic or wasn't needed in the thread.
3)Stay civil. If a problem arises, contact a Mod/Admin and tell about your problem.
4) Try to post within the correct categories. It will help members to find content in the long run. If you don't know where to post something, just ask.
5) No reviving dead topics unless you have a good reason for that
To newbies: If you accidentally revive a dead thread once, don't worry about it. But if you continue to revive dead threads, you might get a reproof. Please be sure to look at the date of the last post.
To members: If you see a dead thread revived, just ignore it. Also, there is no need to report it to an admin or mod. We have eyes we can see it. If we feel that something needs to be done about it, we'll take care of it.
- If a thread of yours gets locked due to inactivity, you can always ask an admin or mod to unlock it for you.
Lmfao ^
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| XenoTehNoob | Date: Monday, 2012-06-04, 4:26 AM | Message # 15 |
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| Quote (striderhien) This isn't 4chan, we are NOT the anonymous. You are Xeno, Kent is Kent, I am myself.
The multiple account rule is one of the few that makes sense. And if you get through the problems of changing your IP or using proxy's just to make another account after being driven out it would be like rejoining a club you were kicked from after some plastic surgery and fake documents, it's just sad since there are many other "clubs"(mugen forums). Even I got rid of the other account I made before the rules were posted by buy because I think it is a good rule.
>implying it is shameful to want to be apart of a forum
>implying proxys are hard to use
>did not answer my question of why double accounts are bad
Also you totally did not understand when I meant were have anonymity, you fool. I meant, when I call you a faggot, you have no idea who I am/I have no idea who you are. I would never call someone a cunt punting piece of nigger shit in real life if I actually meant it, but on here me and everyone else could because it in no way affects my real life. My real life name/alias is not Xeno, so you're incorrect. I don't care what you think about me, because I have Anonymity. I will NEVER meet you in real life, so what I call you on the internet affects me in NO WAY. So you are wrong, we do have Anonymity, and I didn't even bring up 4chan. Do you not understand what being anonymous means? Anonymous is a group. Definition of Anonymous: Not identified by name; of unknown name. While we do have names like "Xeno, Raiven, Riven, Fagit, Negro, sgn, is, a, faggot" my point still stands that we have anonymity (Except for Viz, lol at Rivens signature.)
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